Many Christians today, such as Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine, are actually “functional atheists” because they won’t stand up for their biblical values in the public square, the sibling real estate team “The Benham Brothers” said this past weekend.

In an email interview that was published by the Conservative Review, Christian twin businessmen and authors Jason and David Benham discussed their second book Living Among Lions: How to Thrive Like Daniel in Today’s Babylon and their thoughts on Hillary Clinton‘s running mate, a Catholic who personally opposes abortion but will not stand in the way of a “woman’s right to choose.”

News broke last week that Kaine, who has a history of supporting bans on taxpayer funding to abortion and parental consent laws, made a private agreement with Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton to not stand in the way of her quest to repeal the Hyde Amendment, which bans taxpayer funding for abortion.